Some plans for communities
I think it's about time to share some plans for our near future. As you know, some time ago we've launched the point system on read.cash along with the read.cash fund. This was a really cool development for us, because suddenly there was a big influx of new users. You can easily guess where the point system went live: https://read.cash/@Read.Cash/the-point-system-fa56be9b https://read.cash/@Read.Cash/homepage-and-the-bitcoin-cash-distribution-fund-cc9cd14a#bitcoin-cash-distribution-fund
Though it solved one problem (stagnation of read.cash), it brought a new problem: the spam.... Obviously, when you tell people "Hey, we're going to pay you for articles", all that some people can hear is: "Hey, they're paying for letters, let's just find a good source of letters to copy from". So, they start producing trash content at a break-neck pace. Well, we've tried building a system that detects if an article (or rather its parts) appears somewhere on the Web. That definitely solved the problem with copied content, but also that led to unending string of fights with authors (public here on read.cash, on Reddit and in our inbox, Twitter, everywhere) who wanted to publish their content in many places at the same time. (I don't really see the point in that, but OK) https://read.cash/@BetterCallPaul/why-readcash-should-rethink-their-non-oc-stamp-of-shame-on-articles-that-dont-pass-copyscape-a110815f One proposed solution was to leave only the "OC" (Original Content) mark if the content is detected as exclusive and do nothing if content is not original. We thought about it, but it didn't seem like a solution at all. I mean that won't stop any spammers. You have to understand that these people aren't bad per se, they just want to earn money and don't know of any better way, so they copy articles or comments in hopes of getting paid. **Our big goal of course is to channel their energy into something more productive, but so far the only thing we can try to do is to stop them**, because spam prevents read.cash fund from growing (no, seriously, that's not a guess or something, we know for sure that it can be bigger, but not with that amount of spam).
So, that got us thinking. Removing the point system didn't seem right at all, since we strongly believe that authors should be rewarded and the previous system where only those who write about Bitcoin Cash get tips from other users of Bitcoin Cash didn't seem to do it (which is what all our predecessors like yours.org and honest.cash did... and they aren't going anywhere, frankly). https://honest.cash/v2/ The point system and the fund solve that well, but they also have an unintended consequence of financing the spammers. We've thought long and hard. We threw away hundreds of ideas on how to stop it. We can't of course personally moderate all of read.cash ourselves - we're a very small team (just a few guys) and we *can't possibly* read **1,000+ comments and 250+ articles** ***each day***. Sometimes it's not even possible even if we had unlimited time - I don't speak Bengali and I can't verify the claims about some Bengali articles being copy-pasted from somewhere...
Sure, we can use Google Translate, but then there are claims about content being of poor quality and how would you judge that? Then we remembered that we do have something called "Communities", which many of you haven't even noticed up until now. https://read.cash/communities Communities have admins and moderators and actually some of them are keeping pretty clean pages **right now, without any pay**. (More on the pay for moderators later) We should use their power for good and we should stimulate them, we decided. Then came a lot of days when we went back and forth thinking about the way communities can help us in reaching our goals. *(Just in case you missed it - our goal is to make as many people use Bitcoin Cash as possible)* Finally, about a week ago a plan crystallized that should become "the read.cash of the future". Our plan **Step 1:** we'll upgrade communities to first class citizens on read.cash, meaning that you'll see us actively promoting communities on the main page.
As you can see, there's "**Crypto and tech (c20c)**" community staring you right in the face, between two articles that weren't as active in communities. During this first step **if an article receives an upvote or a tip on a community page** (as opposed to via the article itself) it would get a blue community link on the main page (hint to moderators: upvote good stuff on your community page). We might even add some direct links to interesting communities on the homepage too. **Step 2:** we'll turn off points for non-community-submitted articles. So, only if you have submitted your article to a community and your submission was approved you'll get the points. That should really stimulate people to submit articles to communities and use them more. *Comments* will also bring points only if you write them to articles inside of communities. **Cherry on top: moderators of communities will be getting 20% of points accumulated by authors/commenters via posts in their community.** Authors will get the same amount of points, 20% goes on top.
Note though that only **first approved** submission will be bringing the points to users and moderators (to avoid the situation where a user submits to one hundred of his own communities and gets 100 times the points). **Step 3:** we'll develop the guidelines for what we consider a good community. It won't be anything too complex, mostly it'll be about the fact that the community moderators should keep their communities clean from illegally copy-pasted useless articles and from useless comments (especially copied from other comments), also keeping the approval times reasonable. At this stage we'll also redirect spam reports to community admins and moderators. By the way there will be an option to make community pre-moderated (like now), post-moderated (everything is allowed, but something might be removed later) and pre-moderated, but only for first few posts of a new author or commenter. **Step 4:** we'll start assigning a "featured" status to communities that uphold the high standards from the previous step. Only postings to **these** featured communities will be getting points. In other words only **first approved submission to a featured community** will be given points. (Remember though, that you can always create your own community easily! Even if its just a community for you only) The future Hopefully, by this step we'll see spam in total decline, because it will be in community moderators best interests to keep spam at bay. Any featured communities where the quality will decline will be stripped of the "featured" status with ability to re-apply later, of course. We will, of course, give moderators a whole arsenal to help them (such as full feeds of everything that happens in community, results of our own internal "copy-paste" detection, abilities to mute users for certain periods for rules violation or even block users from participating in communities, detailed history of users' rules violations and previous punishments). But all of these tools need to be developed, because they don't exist yet. We really hope that it will solve the problem about the fact that we can't moderate 1,000+ comments per day (and growing daily), but an army of moderators with good tools can. Commercial appeal There will probably be one more slightly unpleasant thing. Some communities will be giving more points to authors than others, despite being equal in quality. It really depends on commercial appeal of the community. The majority of our fund will come from advertising on read.cash and of course there are much more companies willing to advertise on some specific communities close to their business than on any generic "My life" community. It doesn't mean that "My life" is bad... it's just the law of supply and demand. If there's demand for advertising on certain communities, it's in everybody's interest to promote that community (because that money will also finance other, less commercially appealing communities). Why is it so slow? So, these are our plans for some upcoming weeks. Maybe even months. It's really hard to change read.cash right now, because we need to test everything rigorously to make sure we don't break something and lose some precious data in the process. That's why we can't move faster - because even at this pace, something like this happens. We should note thought, that despite the fact that communities looked messed up in the process - **nothing was lost**. https://read.cash/@Mictorrani/attention-readcash-communities-messed-up-efe6b215 In the early days of read.cash we could just scrap something and build it from scratch. That's why we could move much faster, but right now we need to be really careful. Topic explosion We really think that this change would bring read.cash to a new level, because right now we have two big problems: one is about the spam and people hunting for easy money without any regard to how much trash they produce along the way, and the second one is about topic explosion.
When you visit read.cash homepage right now, you'll get overwhelmed with information. There are articles about everything. That's good. But it also creates overload. Maybe you aren't that interested in cryptocurrencies or sports or gaming, yet you are very interested in startups. There should be a way to make read.cash much more personal, much more about **you and your interests**. Personalization
That's where subscriptions to communities come into play. Our home page will feature your subscribed communities much more than others and you'll have an easy way to hide content from communities that you aren't that much interested in. Along with our new quick registration system (it's less than 20 seconds now probably, and we're not done optimizing the process yet), it should become pretty easy to personalize the homepage to your tastes. Though, as with everything, we have our plans, but life has something else up its sleeves. We are always surprised by how our plans are destroyed by reality after we roll something out. Let's see how this one goes. In the meantime, we have crossed **3,500 users on read.cash**. Thanks to Bitcoin Cash low fees, almost everyone gets to try Bitcoin Cash, even if its just a few cents.
SpaceX might be launching some rockets, but we seem to be heading into space too. Thanks to all of our users, writers and commenters!
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Very interesting the article that good that every day work for the better the platform and the guidelines so that everything goes as it should be.
Thank you read.cash; this seems a very positive and useful development. Looking forward to it......
This is a turn around restructuring of read.cash for better future. The present situation is like "garbage in, garbage out"- poor quality articles and comments in, poor rating by potential sponsors of read.cash outside there. It's high time we addressed this situation. Thanks.
Well, it looks like it's time to find the best community to join in! Luckily, things are becoming better already. I can feel it. @Monolith, will you guys make a community for #PoweredByMonolith posts?
In fact we did recently, but under a different name. Here "she" is: https://read.cash/c/crypto-legends-70bc Now it's time for us to top it.
Aright, the idea is quite good (you guys certainly have some neurons to spare) but... here comes the but... this rise a lot of extra considerations that will fill an entire article (thank you for that, more writing to us) and so many questions that you're probably not gonna like. Anyway before the article itself (and it's coming for sure) we do want to preserve the privilege of republishing our Original Content everywhere else, as there are other places where a given content will be more seen or appreciated by your audience. Rewording a content just to get rid of the bot detection makes no sense and it's a lot of extra work in top a content you already spent time creating. Let's remember we create content for the people out there, not for an specific group or platform, cause rewards given are usually very unstable, going from one cent to the hundred dollars. So, it's not a salary 🙂
Here's the problem. You can create your own community and do basically whatever you want there (as long as it's legal), but you won't be guaranteed points for that. read.cash grows *only* with exclusive content - the content that has never been published anywhere else and that's what we want to stimulate with our fund. So, you can republish your content - no problem, but it's possible that you won't get points for that, because it doesn't help read.cash grow (you might still get tips tough).
I find the idea with the unique content very important. If an author thinks he has to publish his content on several platforms, that's his problem. Here he does not get any points. That is correct. It should be possible to publish the content somewhere else later, but read.cash should be the first platform. There are too many completely outdated articles here. I have pointed this out to one author. He didn't answer. Such behaviour should not be rewarded with points and satoshis.
Having OC in a platform is always a main goal, yet outdated articles are a different problem. Your content might be 200% original but you don't have the time to be updating old ones, or the topic is simply outdated. Then you don't want to delete those (you will be penalized for deleting an article). Is a common thing though and not a major concern, you can see which articles are the oldest, so if not updated no surprise there.
But if someone wrote yesterday that Bitcoin Cash halving will take place in 45 days - I have no understanding for that.
That's just bad writing, instead of saying "in 45 days" an author will say "by may this year (2020)" giving you the understanding you're missing.
FYI - you won't be penalized for articles that you didn't get points for. It's all accounted in detail, even if we don't publish it yet. So we only ask for what was given. Any older articles can be deleted without penalties.
Lets work around this: we create OC for Read Cash, we get rewarded, then we republish somewhere else, still is original only now is reposted but hey you have already collected your reward. In which way would this help you to grow?
Well this is what I call a good decision from the Team👏I was away for some time from read.cash and when I come back I really saw a good development with a lot of posts but also a lot of non quality and too much spam in the comments only with purpose to get points to benefit from the Fund! The next steps the team have taken a good ones and I have a community and I approve only quality articles and until now I had success with this incentive the platform will have much success💪 and I will be here to help the team!
It's a turn around restructuring of read.cash for better future. The present situation is like "garbage in, garbage out"- poor quality articles and comments in, poor rating by potential sponsors of read.cash outside there. It's high time we addressed this situation
Please don't copy comments from other people - this is a warning, next time - ban.
i dont understand at all what kind of powers are the moderators of a community going to have over my articles. Is it the first submitted community going to have more powers? Is the experience for an article going to be different based on from which community i opened it?
Moderators would be able to hide some comments and each submission to each community will have it's own discussion (just like it is on Reddit, for example), however all hidden comments will be loadable by clicking "Show hidden comments" and it will be possible to load all other discussions from other submissions too with a click of a button.
This is a really good idea, hopefully things will be OK on this platform not seeing some unnecessary comments and all.
I think its time i create a community for poetry and fiction. Nice idea with the plan to make me see only post from communities i subscribed to because i was drowning in the sea of unrelated articles to my interest. Its time to read great poetry. Cheers
But I see that you write a lot about cryptocurrencies, so I do not understand that one topic has to do with another, or are poems about cryptocurrencies?
I never said i didnt like articles about crypto currency. What i meant about unrelated articles are articles that do not satisfy my interest. If you check my bio then you know what interest me and thats poetry, fiction and crypto. Cheers
Poetry and money 😂 One for the soul and the other for the pocket. Both valid interests, although not related at all, or maybe there's an "Oda to Bitcoin"?
Doesn't the Patreon model lend itself more to cryptocurrency and smart contracting?
Could you clarify what you mean? I don't quite understand it.
I'm suggesting a system which could used for pledging coins by the followers for 'commissioning work' etc.. E.g. many vloggers are very popular but don't have the free time to create more than 1 vid a month so some fans are willing to donate money to encourage the content they prefer to be created.
Oh, that, yeah, we do have plans to extend our sponsors feature with many Patreon-like features (i.e. goals, levels, minimal pledges, communications with sponsors, etc...), but right now the issue of spam in articles and comments is far more pressing.
When will these decisions be activated? Right now or planned for the next few days?
Next few weeks.
Fair enough. This looks like a good solution. Hopefully none can use the rules for his advantage now.
Oh somebody will, somebody will. We never get tired of discovering how can people abuse any rules :)
So if I got this right, you will only be able to monetize and earn points if any community mod approves your post?
Correct. So make friends with one if your posts are not very good 😂 just kidding
lol. No this is a very good idea considering everything the team had at their disposal. The only problem is will this solution scale when your user counts goes from thousands to the hundred thousands or millions.
Thanks! I think when scale goes to hundred thousands we'll have different tools at our disposal :)
Yup that’s true and that’s probably a better problem to have, right! Also if I’m interested in being a moderator, how do I apply? I already am a moderator for a community but someone else added me.
That's a great question. I don't think you can apply to be moderator just yet - maybe by @mentioning the admin in comments somewhere (you can see the admin name in list of communities). There will be a better way when we will launch private messaging on site.
Yeah, but if your posts aren't good and yet are approved the community will be un-featured, so friendship won't help, only high standards will help.
Is unclear how you might control "the high standards" of thousands communities will rise when this is in place. Which parameters will you look out and how? Manually, I don't think so.
First, we can of course give some minimum requirements to apply for featured status, like maybe 50 articles approved, 20 members minimum, at least one month old. I don't know, something along these lines. So we don't have to check each and every community created on a whim. But then, when we have hundreds of thousands of users - we'll definitely need some additional employees to do that (which would be a necessity anyway with hundreds of thousands of users) and some well defined rules on what constitutes "high standards". We'll see. It will be a *nice* problem to have :)
Yes, is common sense to meet some minimum requirements. Now the problem scalates the more users you have and the more communities created (put simply it scalates over time). Can be solved by some more personal; now the problem thick when it comes to check who's keeping the high standards -you couldn't certainly un-featured a community because there's some bad authors in there (that's subjective), or because articles there havent all reach ten likes or whatever. Doing so, blindly, will discourage both moderators and new authors (which maybe aren't so good but willing to write), thus creating the opposite effect to grow.
Yeah, I think there will be a process with something like a warning that the quality is slipping and un-featuring afterwards. We'll see, we'll see. I certainly hope that un-featuring will happen rarely, because people will enjoy receiving 20% for job well done.
I like the idea of tying points to community, because it clarifies different roles of the money voting system (global vote with global cash) and the points voting system (local vote within the community). Probably good to explicitly indicate the relation between points and community in the user interface. Keep up the good work.
Absolutely. I too think we need to better communicate the expectations - how much points can a user expect for their actions.
I like the idea of decentralizing the moderation of read.cash. Hope this works well, but I'm still of the opinion that points for comments should be lower or just go away altogether as it seems like comment spam is the real problem. Also, how does one stop being a moderator? I created the "writing" community but I'm not sure I want to continue as there are just way too many articles that get submitted. I tried to leave but it says as the only moderator I can't leave.
The comment spam will be communities moderators' problem too, because they will be responsible for cleaning up the comment section of their submission. Basically it'll work like Reddit's comments: each time you submit a link you get a new set of comments and community mods are responsible for keeping it clean. Unlike Reddit, there will be a button to load all comments from all submissions of this article. Regarding "Writing", yeah, we'll need to figure out what to do with such communities. Should we make them as abandoned? Delete them? Give them out to anyone willing.. Any ideas?
Think I'm understanding a little better now. As far as "writing", I think it would be fine for a moderator to have the option to delete or hand over moderation of a community to someone else. I think it would be fine to just delete the writing one and someone else can create a new one if they wish. I didn't realize how many people would tag their posts as writing but I guess every post on read.cash could be tagged as writing lol.
Also, it's really hard sometimes to tell if something is a spam comment so I'd imagine moderators will have trouble identifying which comments are genuine versus which ones are just trying to earn some points. But yes, nothing wrong with someone trying to get their hands on BCH either, so I guess it's a question of where you draw the line and what you consider to be helping your overall goal versus hurting it. Interesting stuff. Glad it sounds like you guys have been doing the deep thinking needed to figure it all out. Hope you're having as much fun with your site as I am =)
I do admit, I am a little worried. How will communities allow the posts to get paid well and equal? Does it come from the personalized payout system? What would it mean then if the spammers create a community just exactly for spamming?
Good list here from Readcash, its high time things comes to normal. I will only advice you increase the point for article more than 500 words.
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