Time to die

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4 years ago

"How much is a society willing to sacrifice?" was a headline in the Dutch paper. This question is related to the pandemic. A pandemic caused by a certain type of coronavirus. A virus that causes Covid-19 also called the "long virus".

So far governments did their best. Their best out of the mess they created during the past years. With us, in the Netherlands, it's not only the economical crises but a lack of money invested in the medical world. Hospitals, hospital beds, nurses. The government made the budget smaller and smaller and many hospitals we're closed down. They simply didn't manage and a part was not 'good enough'. Not good enough sounds like a joke especially in times of need, a time where the government makes clear 70+ years old is not allowed to be taken to hospital to save beds for corona patients. Patients who are overweight, patients with all kinds of health issues, smokers, alcoholics, high blood pressure, diabetics. Party animals, people who went on a holiday and took the risk. Are they worth saving?

Dutch patients end up in German hospitals. Suddenly there's no need to check that hospital first, if they do a great job, is the best. Do we have the right to claim those hospital beds if the virus increases, acts like a tornado, in Germany as well? Isn't it time to deal ourselves with the risks we took?

You can hate the idea but being 20 or 30 years old doesn't mean you have more rights to a bed, more rights to live. If it comes to life there is no guarantee. It's a countdown from the day you are born! Perhaps it should be the other way round. Not even 2% of the elderly are infected. They are wise enough to not put themselves in danger. They have more rights because they build the country after the war, worked hard their entire life. If they get ill it's because of the caretakers, the nursing homes where no preparations are taken, ventilation is a big no, the place no government ever cared about.

There are two options according to the advisors of the government. A total lockdown and hope for the best or we struggle on like this for the next (winter included) weeks, months.

Those two options are based on? Actually nothing except the fact the hospital beds are filled (not the IC) and somehow they -the government- seem to think they have to do something. Questionable is if we can do something. It's clear this virus will stay, it mutates, and... you can get the disease more than twice. It's clear most infections happen inside! Indeed inside but the schools remain open so do not complain about an increasing number of positive people.

By now 50,000 tests are done a day. Let's say 15 million people will be tested... You can calculate yourself within how many weeks/days the whole nation is tested.
Most tests are done among caretakers, most likely they are tested more than once.

Is the society willing to give up everything for saving lives?
If you ask me the answer is no and that's exactly what this question is about. We are not willing to sacrifice everything for someone else. There's no point in it. If it comes to it it is survival of the fittest (immune), the smartest (stay away, be careful, take care of yourself), and not the stupidest. We all measure in our own way, who or what is important to us. A job, an income, physical and mental health is, and this all is taken away from us by 'taking care' of about 2500 corona patients in the hospital.
"These patients are not all elderly people," an advisor said. That's clear to me, to all of us, since the elderly can literally drop dead. Do I care about those people? No, I don't because I don't know them. Not knowing those people makes a world of difference. The fact is still no one I know is infected. Perhaps because we are introverts, we stay in our world, avoid people, contact, we keep distance and wash our hands... Perhaps because we are immune, had over 40 vaccinations, or already suffer from allergies.

There's a third option. Two professors asked the question if society is willing to sacrifice everything, live in poverty, depression just to save some people. With me, you know the answer is no. We are not willing to sacrifice everything. The past months proved enough. Demonstrations, church meetings, illegal parties, the youth doesn't care, 'our future' generally speaking does not. If this is the case I ask you "Why should we care, care about them?"

I agree with both professors. You can not save everyone. It's time to be open about that and let them die. Some seem to need a long time to recover, some will never recover again. All useless people, as useless as the elderly the government gave the death penalty and they are not the only ones. Healthcare is at its lowest. If you are not tested positive for corona you can forget about medical help anyway. We pay and pay but if it comes to it we all have to deal with our health on our own.
Let's talk about death for a change. Our death because no guarantee certificate for a long, happy life was given at your birth. We all due and if you never cared about your health, are still overweight, smoke, and make excuses for it do not be surprised there's no room for you in the hospital. You had your life, your chance, and blew it.

Usually, the Dutch government will not meet during their Autumn break but they will today (I other 24, 2020) discuss the next steps.

#kittywu #columnist #coronavirus #pandemic #covid19

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4 years ago

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I wonder if your goveris as bad as the ones here. At least tests are being done while in most third worls countries, none of that ever happened. The mild cases and asymptomatic cases were left to stay at their own homes to spread the virus more. I think your government is also doing the same

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4 years ago

When people arrive at hospitals, it cannot be known if they were partying or at home and were infected. They simply come to be cared for and are cared for. Elders arrive with a basic disease, for them it is very difficult to fight. There are no supplies in the hospitals, and family members cannot improve them at home. It is the responsibility of the hospital to treat all of them as far as possible, then that responsibility falls on the family members. Are family members willing to care for the elderly at home? Many do not accept this and believe that it is the responsibility of a doctor in a hospital without resources to keep them in the hospital.

We are facing many changes, some we like, others we don't.

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4 years ago

Yes, they do. People can not go to hospital themselves. If you feel ill, think you have the symptoms you need to call your doctor. Next your doctor decides about the next step. If he/she thinks it might be corona they will contact the GGD. Next this organization will contact you within a day (or more) and ask who you had contact with, we're with, live with, what you did, if you went out, been on vacation etc etc. Next they will test you which can take 3 days or longer till it's your turn. If you are positive all your contacts are called, told to stay home, will asked about their contacts, etc etc. So you are traced. Your phone is, you are, your contacts are. At the time you are taken to hospital many days if not weeks passed. With us you are not anonymous.

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4 years ago

Nothing like that happens here. You go to the hospital and as simple as being told "there are no tests or reagents for the virus" the patient goes home.

I have many acquaintances among dead colleagues. Young doctors even in their graduate degrees, young doctors recently graduated, older doctors known for their altruism, working in places without having them any protection against the virus that comes as a patient to be treated.

It is very regrettable to be in a place where the responsible authorities say that we are prepared for everything and with all inputs. And actually the whole town knows that we have nothing. We are in a black hole.

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4 years ago

Here you are in a black hole too. The government decides. Not hospitals, nurses, or doctors. It's the government who decides elderly people will not be taken to hospital. They stay at home. If they are in a nursery home (we no longer have elderly homes) they are not allowed to have visitors. The caretakers there worked without protection for many months because the government forgot about them. Many elderly died unnecessarily.

If you go out here you need to make a reservation first. Contact addresses everything. They want to be able to locate you. They say it's the only way to fight the virus but I have strong doubts about it. The corona app many use, Google has it we have a site which can tell you how many are ill in 2.5 kilometers around your house or a place you need to visit but altogether it's useless. This virus will stay.

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4 years ago

The worst thing is not that the virus stays. The worst thing is that we realize that we are like the pawns in a game of chess. Where no matter what you do you are expendable. Vaccine tests are ourselves. Those who allow them to wear them and those who trick them into putting them on.

Sadly, there are many months, perhaps years of pandemic left. until another virus or bacteria comes along.

We are our worst enemy.

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4 years ago

We are our worst enemy indeed and nature it's. We refuse to see it and if so to admit it.

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4 years ago

I've seen a lot of documentary shows lately that I didn't allow myself to watch before because I didn't have time. Now with my compulsory rest I have free time and I observe how each time we destroy ourselves more ... very sad.

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4 years ago

It is good to know what is going on but it's better for peace of mind not to see/know everything. It only makes me sad and the world a nasty place to be. πŸ’•πŸ€

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4 years ago

Many things are unpleasant but we must move on.

We have the option of looking for things that we like to better live our lives in the time we have left.

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4 years ago

Unlike human thinking, God wants us to live forever and stay strong. But He was patient in what we are facing right now. He knows the best time to remove all struggle that we have. We need to trust His perfect time. Even we cant control the situations, we can control our mindset about the new normal things today. Keep safe everyone!

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4 years ago

God doesn't want us to live forever. If that was the case we all would be immortal.

If we die it's our time or if you like god's plan although I have doubts about god's plan. God has nothing to do with the evil people think out, with governments their plan and greed.

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4 years ago

Such a spectacular writing πŸ”₯

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4 years ago

It’s so sad

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4 years ago

Why is it sad? Death is part of life. Why should a whole nation sacrifice everything to save a few people? No country ever did that. Wars, pandemics, Blues always been there, people died, many did and we always said it's god's will, his plan, a part needs to die to give the rest a good life. Why is this pandemic different?

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4 years ago

Touching tale. Let's talk about death for a change. I can't say the health sector in Nigeria is as good as any country's.

A good thing the pandemic situation in Nigeria wasn't as great as that of Italy or China... The nation won't have been able to contain it.

In Nigeria, we have heard of thousands of deaths from the pandemic but no one seem to know anyone that reportedly died from COVID-19 nor anyone infected. Yet we kept getting increasing figures daily. Many believe those figures were made up just to loot finances... But this none can be confirmed.

At the moment, the country has something else to worry - the #EndSARS protest which led to 24 hours curfew for days and many has reportedly died in the process.

In 2020, Nigeria has been hit with 2 devastating P's - Pandemic and Protests. We hope for better Ps- Peace and progress

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4 years ago

I think we should live on, live with this virus if there's one. China's economy seems to bloom. I hope your P's will change into Piece & Progress asap.

Same here I know no one, no one does, we just hear but see no evidence.

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4 years ago

The more we look the less we see.

I hope for better fortunes.

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4 years ago

I keep my fingers crossed. If you ask me it's knowing too much that makes life a pain.

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4 years ago

Yet we can't help the curiosity.

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4 years ago

Or will the media and their fake news...and the Cabal yet.

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4 years ago

Touching story, and if it is true that such a large number of people are getting infected by the SARS viruses I guess the immediate solution should be a total lockdown to curtail further spread of the viruses.

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4 years ago

You truly believe that virus will die after a total lockdown? Perhaps a total lockdown of the entire world? A virus doesn't care about borders. The flu we have here each winter is a mutation of the one they had 6 months ago at the other side of the world.

There was a total lockdown and it didn't kill any virus.

The question is: is the society willing to give up everything, restart at zero, just to save some lives? It may be clear most infected do not need a doctor at all. If it comes to it the answer is NO.

We are not willing to sacrifice everything because we all will die. If you die now it's your turn, god's will or plan.

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4 years ago

owo and very good

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4 years ago

Always remember " believe " is so important for man. So never lose your hope. And come back my post.

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4 years ago

What do you mean? I doubt you read what I wrote. This is not about belief but reality. The question if whole nations should sacrifice themselves, their economy, mental health just to save a few people. Not the minority of the population dies but mainly those who already are in bad shape, have other diseases.

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4 years ago

I read this post dear, I am comment about you.πŸ’Ÿ

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4 years ago

This massacre will stop soon..Don't loose your hope

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4 years ago

I did not lose my hope. I am fine with dying and I don't really care if those who never cared about their health die. This virus will not stop after a next lockdown. It might if we all had it unless it mutates, which it most likely does.

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4 years ago

Yeah everything will be fine soon

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4 years ago

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4 years ago

Yeah you got it.. Because sooner or later we should die

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4 years ago

Same issue here in the Philippines. Hope this pandemic ends soon

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4 years ago

The question is for what price? We all know what to do. We better start living again, the economical crises is increasing so is depression. Drinking and soft drugs after 8 pm is forbidden, who will check that? 60% of the police is 'ill' at home. Let people be responsible if their own deeds, no medical help included. This isn't different from the Mexican flu or Medieval plague. This virus will stay.

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4 years ago

Responsible people is the key. I work in a hospital. And i know for myself that this virus won't go anytime soon unless there will be a major breakthrough in vaccines.

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4 years ago

They already know those vaccines will not be there for 2025. So far the tests were negative. People became ill, seriously ill, became covid for the second time... The USA restarted their carbonation, Europe is prepared to receive many health issue claims because of an early vaccination.

Living with and being responsible for own deeds is the only option.

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4 years ago

Lets just wait and see. And hope at the end of this everything will be okay

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4 years ago

In the end everything will be okay. No matter how many died. We have an overpopulation and after each war a nation or the world made a comeback. I am not worried and not willing to sacrifice for those who don't care. Why should I pay the bill while they had the fun and don't care?

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