My walk with BCH and what I see

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3 years ago

Everyone on read.cash has their own story with Bitcoin Cash and this one is mine. It took a long time to write because I wanted to make it good. And to really convey what I wanted to say about BCH.

The first contact I had with BCH was on the now-defunct Coinpot faucet. I didn't pay much attention as it was just some other coin. It actually sounded just like a plagiarized lesser version of the original almighty Bitcoin. For me, cryptocurrencies were Bitcoin and Litecoin. The two coins I started mining in 2011-2012 but for which I do not have anything about my wallets anymore. Back then, crypto was not really a thing yet. But more of a curiosity for the full stack developer I was. Sadly, I now fall in the stats about dormant wallets with thousands of dollars sleeping which will forever be lost in time. But that is a story for another article maybe. Maybe not I just hate to remember.

So at first, BCH didn't strike me as something with a bright future. What was it doing more than the others, what problem was it solving. Is it like a new flavor or a new trendy brand? You know like Coca-Cola or Pepsi.

But I now think I was wrong about BCH. It is one of the blockchains that might have one of the best futures as a currency. Want to know why? I will tell you at the end but meanwhile here is my walk with BCH, from the first contact to holding it. This will better explain my thinking and sentiment towards Bitcoin Cash.

Whatever disagreement sparked the first BCH fork ABC-BSV

Or so I told myself. The second contact I got with BCH is from the hard fork into BCH ABC and BCH SV. For the community or the developers, it seemed to be very important. For me, I had no idea what was the split about. I just saw an easy and quick way to make money out of the hard fork. Money that would come from thin air. I did not care much about these coins as they had no use case and provide solutions to nothing. At least that was my thinking back in November 2018.

Block size, less data being processed, op_codes are what the fork was really about among other technical things. Also the claim to restore the real Satoshi Vision (SV). But I really think BSV is full of drama with Wright and what he said about how BCH SV is supposed to be the original Bitcoin. As well as the claim that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.

Not so long ago, I tried some platforms and other things related to BSV and I do not see the point. I could almost say that it has a toxic community or very narrow-minded and sadly, I’ll just say stupid angry people. This can be seen in a noise.cash/Twitter wannabe named Twetch. In case you wonder, you have to PAY to do anything on that platform and the community has a very little user base and annoying people. Do not lose your time with this.

Anyway, I won’t extend more on BSV as it is not Bitcoin and much less Bitcoin Cash and just a loss of time.

Then came read.cash and BCH reaching more people

I have read somewhere that there was a platform where we could earn some crypto for participating and being active. I had to give it a try. My first few weeks with read.cash was, how can I say, just average. There were some very good articles and people but they were buried under all the spam, short meaningless comments, and useless posts. Thousands of flower photos along with good night and morning wishes every third post. Some users seemed to have many several accounts boasting how much they can bleed out of the BCH pool of donations. The good thing is that it got sorted with time and much more enjoyable to browse.

After some Reddit arguing with one of the people behind the read.cash handle I think, I finally understood. I was angry at that moment, but a point was made. BCH was getting out there at that was a really big thing. Out to communities that not many cryptocurrencies are reaching with some that are even almost totally unbanked. It is marketed in the best way and reaching more and more people every day. It is starting to be used where local currencies are having a bad time with trust or inflation.

Bitcoin Cash is coming out of the zone where all the cryptos are stuck and where only a few have gotten. 1up, EOS with Trybe, Publish0x to some extend, they are all stuck with tokens that arent used as cash or are too niche for a broader public. Fees are too high, it is slow to transfer, there is a lot of volatility, nothing can be paid for with them. This is where the platforms read.cash and noise.cash running with BCH is an awesome tool to reach milestones as far as awareness and user base.

Surprise, another fork, but this time about funding

To many people’s surprise, another fork came to life last November. This time, it was mostly around the financing of BCH development. The team spearheaded by Amaury Séchet named Bitcoin ABC integrated a miner tax or a mandatory 8% fee of all mined blocks, the coinbase rule in the miner software named IFP. Some miners followed but not many. In the end, it lead to the birth of another BCH chain also named BCHA, and the one you are earning on read.cash and noise.cash with the original BCH ticker. The latter running the mining software named BCHN.

Forcing fees or selling their product and services is something companies and corporations do. But open-source or community-oriented projects are mostly not to say always from a grant, donations, or from some fundraising activities. Anyone ever made funding a mandatory integrated part of UNIX, OpenBSD, or Linux? Even if it is being used for critical purposes such as bank mainframes? How did it get funds for research development and growth?

These great projects rose from the passion of the community around them. This is how they got there they stand now. And, the same pretty much goes for all open source projects. So, who funded the initial development of Bitcoin? The answer is; no one. It is born from the hard work and passion of some developer/cryptographer. Exactly who is topic to many other posts and it is most certainly not from Craig Wright.

I think BCH is supposed to be something for the people, from the people. And it should stay this way even as it becomes huge. Funded through grants, donations, and other fundraising activities. One thing for sure funding should never be enforced on people using or whoever operates the network. On this, I guess the future will tell us how it is in the crypto world. The real decentralized one, not the products like Ripple XRP.

The walk with Bitcoin Cash continues

After having used BCH for a few months as an investment, a way to pay for a few times, some gambling token, and earning it on read.cash and now noise.cash. I believe it is one of the most promising coins around as a currency. Why? Because it can be used as cash just like fiat. There is even a story of someone buying land in Africa with BCH. Transactions are fast, very cheap, and easy to do. They are supported in pretty much any BTC or multi-coin wallets and are gaining popularity among regular people. This is unlike any other crypto right now. Bitcoin is turning into a store of value or stock to investors, ETH is crumbling under gas fees and only used by the riches in DEFI or for expensive NFTs, and others like XRP are centralized.

In this sense, we could pretty much say that Bitcoin Cash is not the real bitcoin. I know, I know. I just wrote this but let me explain. It is as close to the original vocation as it can be. It ticks pretty much all the boxes of Satoshi Nakamoto Bitcoin whitepaper. The wish for a permissionless, borderless, decentralized monetary system. It is also spreading and getting known by the people who are less inclined to use crypto. People from poorer countries that can’t afford to buy Bitcoin or Ethereum and who can now earn it on read.cash or noise.cash.

Still, we can’t and shouldn’t call it the real Bitcoin. BTC is still around and I pretty much think it will be for a long time. But what Bitcoin really is? Just a name. The name of something very specific that has no equivalent or nothing alike. BTC and BCH are not like Coke and Pepsi but rather something like Coca-Cola and Orange Fanta. The underlying is very similar but yet they are different colors, have different tastes, and do not appeal to the same people.

I think the best would have been to just call it another name. The Supercoin, the Real Money, Bitcash, Ecash or The People Coin, Lifecash, Better Cash (BCH), or anything appealing and unique. To brand it as something else than Bitcoin. It is not BTC. It is a better version of it but above all something different build on the underlying technology. This would avoid all drama, any confusion with the original Bitcoin. Get Craig out of it and just avoid the narrow-minded purist and the snobs of BSV. It could be a rebirth like a phoenix coming out from its ashes.

Now let see where it goes, hopefully to the planet mars

I do not want to say to the moon, that is what we say as investors. I do hope its value stays more stable. It is not necessarily for the price, but for adoption I like BCH. I sure hope it continues to develop and gain traction as a currency. With its community now, it is one of the best candidates for that. I hope the focus stays on this before they start heading in the wrong direction. I wish for my children or their descendants to see it be the currency that they will use on Mars.

But meanwhile, I would also like to see people talk about how they are paying for things and services with BCH. Or how they send BCH to their friends or family after acquiring them posting good articles on platforms like read.cash. Much more these talks than knowing if BCH is a good investment, or to hold it. Spent it! Use it! This is what a currency is. Because if we do not, it might just turn it into another store of value and not a usable currency. It should not see as something to trade or invest in but rather as something to use. A currency to pay for services and buy goods.

This can only happen if we all put a little of ourselves into it.

Walking to and beyond the next destination

Because of the pandemics, I am 7852 miles or 12636 km away from where my life will continue. Still waiting on the green light to move back to Asia. More precisely to Vietnam. A country where the cryptocurrencies are looked like something not recognized. At this moment it has no laws or rules for its use. And being not recognized by the government, there are no banks that will deal with it. It is also why there are many scams right now as people cant be arrested as it is not seen as an asset or something of value. But from the influence of other countries around, they are looking into using blockchain technologies and opening to crypto. I know that more and more people there are getting into it.

This is where I see the opportunity to spread the word about Bitcoin Cash and will start accepting it over the local currency for my services by giving discounts and incentives if paid with it. I will also pass the word around offering to pay slightly more in BCH for great service. A bit like leaving a tip.

Leaving a tip is also what you can do to help me and my family to get there and encourage me to write and share more.

I will also write more about my view of BCH in upcoming articles so subscribe to not miss them.

Links

OKEX delisting Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV

https://blog.okcoin.com/2021/02/19/protecting-bitcoin-why-were-removing-bch-and-bsv-from-okcoin/?utm_campaign=BSV%20BCH&utm_content=154833960&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-2445396642&ref=hackernoon.com

Cryptocurrency in Vietnam

https://www.ccn.com/vietnam-to-get-its-first-ever-cryptocurrency-exchange-but-is-it-legal/

A land bought with BCH in Africa

https://read.cash/@alberdioni8406/i-literally-bought-a-land-with-bitcoin-cash-d3f98742


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I love this article,you cqn learn a lot,keep it up

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Thanks for your comment! If you want to read more you can subscribe as this wont be the last.

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Thank you so much i will

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3 years ago

thank you for this instructive writing it was a pleasure to read! you convinced me completely about the merits of BCH! It is through this that I will gather this very much because I see in it the potential and the value! Thanks

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Thanks for your comment. I'm glad you liked the article and that you are getting into BCH

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3 years ago

Nice story... soon I will have my own story to tell too. :)

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3 years ago

Since you are on this platform you already have your own story. You just need to write it.

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3 years ago

True enough. Lets say, i am still at the introductory part. Heheh.

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What was it doing more than the others, what problem was it solving.

When you first got involved with crypto, what was your answer to this question regarding it?

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As you can read I started mining long ago. Back then it could solve the problem with bank and government controlling every aspect of your money. But it was more of a novelty and something I had to try.

When I really started I heard about Bitcoin ATM and thought I could finally be unbanked. But this problem is still not solved. And people who control money and government will do everything for it not to be fixed.

And the sentence in my text you are referring to I was asking what does BCH solve that BTC can't do. We just started to see how the fees and high price of BTC can make a difference.

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3 years ago

So to clarify, your original motivation was indeed to stop bank and state control of your money and the ability to inflate / deflate money of the population in order to execute policy goals, right? But now you think that no cryptocurrency can provide that goal, so you acknowledge that BTC cannot provide it either, right? If that's the case, why are you in BTC now, seeing as it can't even work as a currency? Why not just use credit cards?

And why do you think BCH can't deliver on that original promise of circumventing states and central banks? It doesn't have the architecture of BTC that forces tx traffic through those central points of control, so why would it not be able to avoid that control?

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Well if you read further I do say that BCH has to potential to do so. But then again it has been proven that BTC, BCH, and most cryptocurrencies can be traced. This means it can be taxed and be under scrutiny. Do you know Chainalysis? That is their specialty.

https://news.bitcoin.com/irs-crackdown-tracking-bitcoiners-with-chainalysis/ https://klasing-associates.com/irs-track-bitcoin-cryptocurrencies/

BCH can reach some potential and get adopted. Banks can be bypassed somehow but there need to be enough vendors ready to accept it but to also spend it. Because once it gets back to fiat it somewhat defeats the purpose.

I think to be more successful they would need to focus on anonymity instead of things like SLP and smart contract. Other multichain layers can do that part but no chain can anonymity.

As for being in BTC I do not own any and don't think I ever will.

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Yeah I'm aware of chainalysis and similar, it doesn't work through cashfusion.

https://news.bitcoin.com/cashfusion-use-increased-by-328-200m-in-bch-fused-and-close-to-20000-fusions/

For the record, I did read the entire article, it seemed to me like you never actually accepted that BCH had a unique purpose nor that the unique purpose in question was exactly the one for which Bitcoin originally existed, but if I'm reading you right in this response, this seems to be what you're doing here, which leads me to my next point; If you acknowledge that actually it does have a unique purpose, and that purpose is the same as the original Bitcoin, can you see why there's those of us completely unwilling to budge from "renaming" it away from Bitcoin? Especially in a context where BTC indisputably doesn't meet those original goals anymore?

Other multichain layers can do that part but no chain can anonymity.

For the record, there's also a bunch of other chains that have cashfusion or better levels of anonymity, like DASH and XMR most obviously off the top of my head but there's around a dozen extras as well.

As for being in BTC I do not own any and don't think I ever will.

Good to see we agree on something. It was definitely interesting reading the experience and perceptions of somebody else who has also been in the space a long time and seeing where they differ from my own, thanks for writing.

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So what is the BCH unique purpose? If it is to replace cash there are literally thousands of coins looking to do that too. It cant be the real Bitcoin as it will never have the BTC ticker no matter how you spin it. It actually starts to lose credibility in a way with all the Bitcoin Something (Cash BCHN, BSV, BCHA, Ultimate, Core, Gold, Diamond, Green just out of my head) claiming to be the real one or just better. In that sense, BSV is even superior as it does increase the block size.

https://forkdrop.io/how-many-bitcoin-forks-are-there

Dash is a fork from Bitcoin that started as Xcoin then to Darkcoin and then became DASH for digital cash. Rebranding seems to be good for them and sets them away from all the drama around the name Bitcoin.

Another thing is what will happen when BCH starts to pick up? Will transaction fees still be as low? When there are more halving how much will it go up in value? Earlier I tried to tip 0.10$ and it didn't allow me because of mempool problems (exceeding limits). What it will be when there are millions of additional transactions? Lately, we have seen that fees go up by quite some if we did receive a lot of transactions in our wallet before sending. How will this play with a vendor receiving tons of payments?

I like BCH but I'm not convinced it can be what it claims to be yet.

To better understand all of what I am saying you can read this other article about Bitcoin. BCH has pretty much the same fallback as it is right now.

https://read.cash/@Yann.Poire/how-bitcoin-will-likely-never-be-a-real-world-currency-685b7b17

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So what is the BCH unique purpose?

It's in the title of the white paper; peer to peer electronic cash. Embedded in that definition is not being subject to state monetary control mechanisms.

It cant be the real Bitcoin as it will never have the BTC ticker no matter how you spin it.

Do you know how the BTC ticker was allocated to the present BTC chain, in detail, exactly how that unfolded? Do you think this definition really works? If the exchanges suddenly replace the underlying definition of what BTC is with a collection of tin coins they then mediate access to and trade as BTC on the exchanges, is that then "the real bitcoin"?

It actually starts to lose credibility in a way with all the Bitcoin Something (Cash BCHN, BSV, BCHA, Ultimate, Core, Gold, Diamond, Green just out of my head) claiming to be the real one or just better. In that sense

BCHN is the present BCH, as for the rest, none of them have had basically any relative uptake or unique value proposition at all. Some of them were in fact directly promoted by core in order to give the exact impression you've taken here that this therefore means that anything that is Bitcoin Whatever must be compromised by extension.

Dash is a fork from Bitcoin that started as Xcoin then to Darkcoin and then became DASH for digital cash.

Dash was a fork from the codebase, sure, but it was never a fork from the actual chain, so a Bitcoin Whatever would've made absolutely no sense in that context.

Another thing is what will happen when BCH starts to pick up? Will transaction fees still be as low? When there are more halving how much will it go up in value? Earlier I tried to tip 0.10$ and it didn't allow me because of mempool problems (exceeding limits).

I'm not sure what's going on here but this is just wrong, I proved it by tipping your comment with 0.01 USD just now. And yes, transaction fees will still be relatively low, you do realise that the original plan for scaling Bitcoin was actually to reach high volume, and that volume is what would provide transaction fees? This "artificial fee market" idea tacked onto BTC was never a part of that plan whatsoever, and it's no surprise it's failing miserably imho.

I like BCH but I'm not convinced it can be what it claims to be yet.

That's cool man, and it's not my objective to sell you, I just see another fellow seeker relating their experiences and so I'm relating mine in turn, I hope you find some value in them like I found some value in yours, if not I apologise.

To better understand all of what I am saying you can read this other article about Bitcoin. BCH has pretty much the same fallback as it is right now.

Sure, I'll check it it out now, but for all the mentioned reasons above I'd make the case that BCH just doesn't have the problems that BTC does.

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No need to apologize. I like a good discussion like this one. Learned about cashfusion and I am talking to someone that can explain more or have me do some more research in the right direction.

The white paper you are relating to is the Bitcoin one right? As I said this is unique to every crypto claiming they can replace cash. This means thousands.

For the ticker, I agree. But it then means that any is irrelevant. On this why is the real BCH called BCHN and not BCHA? They are both BCH and work exactly the same. Just the IFP that can be opted out is different at this moment. If it is according to hash rate to determine the real one then BTC is still the real one. Also, the funniest part is to most people seem to share the Bitcoin.com domain and wallet as the official one.

My take at DASH is that rebranding doesn't hurt as oppose to falling inclined to drama over a name that right now most people already consider in a way set in concrete and tied to something other than BCH. Bitcoin IS Bitcoin and BCHN and BCHA and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

Yes, the transaction works most of the time. Is instant most of the time but not all. Had to wait between 20min to an hour for BCH to be transferred a few times. Also at this moment, the volume is 100x less than BTC and nothing compared to something used for payment gateways. Being a POW with halving transaction fees will go up in time. We just don't know to how much yet. As you said it is failing right now for BTC.

I know you are not trying to sell me anything and this is what makes it a good exchange of ideas. I do believe in the potential of BCH-N as it is doing a big step into getting the crypto in the people hand. This might be the key to success. Bitcoin is failing become a store of value and getting slowly in the hands of a few.

I also see you just got on this platform. Cant wait to read more from you.

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The white paper you are relating to is the Bitcoin one right? As I said this is unique to every crypto claiming they can replace cash.

Right, but it's not just replacing cash, especially walking into the trap that "cash" just means something like visa or mastercard, rather than replacing entirely the ability to transact value in a peer to peer nature, that requires an underlying instrument separate from the ledgers in which that value is typically manipulated, that is itself subject to constant audit so you can see at all parts of the process nobody is tampering with the expected and agreed upon supply curve, and at any point in time we know where everything is, who's paying who, and that all payments are valid. It's not just about making the best payment channel, it's about making the best monetary system all taken together.

Even then though, you're right that this is no longer a unique value proposition, but it certainly was at the time Bitcoin was created, and that really is what BCH is still trying to do, so a perspective of "why are they trying to do this thing that everybody else now is also trying to do, where is their unique niche" ignores the fact that they got there first and are just doing what they've been doing from the very beginning over a decade ago, which is even why the name is so important to a lot of people in the ecosystem as well.

On this why is the real BCH called BCHN and not BCHA?

This is a good question that has a good answer though, and that process is outlined in the whitepaper, a process that simply was not followed when it comes to BTC and BCH, where instead the ticker was simply allocated to "whatever the Bitcoin Core node software validates is BTC" by the exchanges.

For completeness sake, the part in the whitepaper in question is this;

"They vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism."

This is the exact process that was followed for both the BSV and the BCHN splits, and that's the reason BCHN right now is BCH.

If it is according to hash rate to determine the real one then BTC is still the real one.

To clarify, this isn't so. Proof;

https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/223

"The incumbent implementation (based on the existing Bitcoin consensus protocol) will continue to trade as BTC even if the B2X chain has more hashing power."

It is really shocking how few people actually realise this and know what happened, even well informed people like yourself. Multiply that thousands fold when it comes to your average twitter herd animal. Almost nobody really gets what happened back then and how deeply the project has been sabotaged.

Bitcoin IS Bitcoin and BCHN and BCHA and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.

For all the reasons we've gone over in this discussion, I don't agree that BTC is bitcoin, I agree that a lot of people think that, but I think I've proven that it has very little in common with the original purpose of the project, and that the process whereby it has gotten to where it is was deceitful and ill understood by almost everybody. As for whether anything else qualifies, I will cede that it is a subjective opinion, but also point out that anybody I've ever spoken to who knows what I know and saw what I know unfold just the same as I did is completely convinced that BCH is Bitcoin.

Also at this moment, the volume is 100x less than BTC and nothing compared to something used for payment gateways.

It has been successfully benchmarked at 256x BTC already on scalenet, we're well into territory where the underlying hardware and infrastructure can support visa level transactions, and the BCHN team is proceeding rapidly towards bringing the software quality to a level where it's able to use the underlying hardware to do that. Over the past few months I've been watching the devs ripping out the old crufty mempool code and tuning it to be much faster and it feels like for the first time since the split we finally have actual traction on getting the necessary work done rather than just holding in maintenance mode and backporting over changes from Core's fundamentally broken architecture.

I also see you just got on this platform. Cant wait to read more from you.

Cheers mate, subscribed to you too, I notice we even ended up in the same obscure Cambodian lake village not long ago by some bizarre twist of fate. The world is a strange place.

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3 years ago

You seem to be very knowledgeable in the BTC/BCH development as a matter of fact I almost have doubts that you could be in some dev team working directly on indirectly on BCH. This from your last paragraph...

Questioning things is one of the best ways to learn. We also in the diving world do a lot of what-ifs to evaluate situations. We also try to see how common people think and what pushes them to do what they do at the moment they were. This is why I like to see things from different angles, it is in my nature.

I want BCH to succeed if just for the community it grew with time. But there is a lot of question to be answered. Not much for me but for the masses I guess. I did work with the best of the monetary system for a while. One called trading. A chicken for some services. Some services for the rent. A bread for some coconuts. It almost gives me ideas to have a currency pegged to the value of a chicken or even better to a balanced and healthy meal.

BCH is on my very short list of currencies I care about and planning to use for payment.

As for the world being a strange place is an understatement. It is the weirdest of places. I was in Cambodia 14 years ago and it's nice to read that weird village is still there.

Cheers!

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You seem to be very knowledgeable in the BTC/BCH development as a matter of fact I almost have doubts that you could be in some dev team working directly on indirectly on BCH. This from your last paragraph

I definitely keep a close eye on them and offer any input I can where I think it will add value, but my primary proficiency is not in the language BCHN uses to develop so I don't by any means pretend that I have as much of a view into it as the people really actually doing the great work to which I was referring like Calin Culianu in the case of the mempool stuff.

My motivation there is I consider the whole BTC followed by ABC thing a lesson learned, and I never want to be caught flat footed again not knowing exactly what's going on with what I think are the most important developments in the space.

I was in Cambodia 14 years ago and it's nice to read that weird village is still there.

Was 6 years for me so maybe it's not anymore? Certainly stuck out though and I was pretty shocked when I saw you had been to the same obscure little spot.

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3 years ago

Nice article.

And I agree, instead of saying that BCH is the real BTC, we can just simply say, BCH is the better version of BTC in all aspects. BTC maybe the first coin, but it's not for everyone. Only the rich people can afford it. The average can't. And this is what makes BCH special because anyone can hold it. Anyway, looking forward for your next article.

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