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Don't you think it is totally unfair to punish all Russians for a decision taken by their government? How are the Russian people responsible? Is cutting them off from everything, isolating them from the world like pariahs, etc. going to prevent anything? Seriously! Ne trouvez vous pas totalement injuste de punir tous les russes pour une décision prise par leur gouvernement. En quoi le peuple russe est-il responsable? Les couper de tout, les isoler du monde comme des parias, etc.. va t il empêcher quoi que ce soit? Sérieusement! #thoughts #earth #world #peace
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You are absolutely right, ordinary Russians have no guilt. But it is always so, ordinary people face the consequences of their leaders' actions, even if they are against said actions. That's what's called "guilt by association". Unfair, of course.
Unfair, for sure..
The common mass has nothing to do with governments' war or tyrannical action. It is unjustified to punish all Russians for the current fighting.
I agree..
Individual Russians are not responsible for it, but the Russian people, if you look at the majority of Russians are responsible for it because they voted for Putin and the majority support the war. There are independent opinion polls that confirm it, moreover, the comments of Russians on noise.cash confirm it. They believe Putin's propaganda and do not want to notice that civilian targets are being fired at in Ukraine. I don't feel sorry for these people. They should suffer from the sanctions and become poor. Maybe one day they will understand their mistakes.
"civilian targets are being fired".. Civilian targets have being also fired since 8 years by Ukrainians themselves, helped by NATO, EU and US. And uncovered by press.. deliberately. And this is also why all "opinions" are distorted today. The subject is delicate. I obviously do not encourage war, because it is inconceivable. But I can understand why the Russians decided to enter Ukraine. But.. as the media lies (propaganda as you said), all perspectives are distorted. Putin, who is obviously not all white, for sure, is not the only "demon" in this story. Peace on #Earth Ps: we will suffer the sanctions.. and already.. sadly.
In my view, the narrative that Ukraine has been shelling civilian targets for 8 years is a propaganda narrative by Putin's media to have an excuse to start the war in Ukraine. Putin militarily attacked Abhazia and North Ossetia in Georgia and separated them from Georgia, then illegally annexed Crimea and tried to do the same in Donbas. He didn't quite succeed because Ukraine granted itself. Symetrists tell him that you have to look at both sides, I disagree. If a burglar breaks into your house, you can't say, yes, I have to understand both sides, the perpetrator and the victim. There is no excuse when someone invades one another's country. Putin is certainly not the only demon, but at the moment he is certainly the most dangerous.
Censored documentary by french independent journalist Anne Laure Bonnel. I don't think an English version exist, but.. this is not propaganda, alas. Fly over it.. https://odysee.com/@neonews_fr:5/Anne-Laure-Bonnel.-DONBASS-(2016).-Документальный-фильм,-который-не-хотят-видеть-европейцы.-Тяжёлый!-j04-wtsA8Hg:b "There is no excuse when someone invades one another's country." Nato bombed Kosovo (without ONU mandate) in 1999 USA invaded Irak in 2003 (lying about massive destruction weapons) Etc.. etc.. etc.. We have short memories.. about war crimes.. or not. :0)
>Nato bombed Kosovo (without ONU mandate) in 1999 USA invaded Irak in 2003 (lying about massive destruction weapons) Etc.. etc.. etc.. I have never welcomed the bombings in Kosovo. Bush's invasion of Iraq was no less bad than Putin's invasion. Do these events excuse Putin? Is the fact that there are burglars for you also to be a burglar? Every burglar must be outlawed. I already wrote about it 3 weeks ago. No war of aggression can be justified. No matter who started it. https://noise.cash/post/ljp09q84
No, these events doesn't excuse Putin. But these same (war) criminals are now accusing another one. Double standards. They have a short memory. It's laughable.. "No war of aggression can be justified. No matter who started it." I said it too, many times. I was saying, however, that the Russian people do not deserve this banishment from the world. I maintain it. I have read it. Thanks. [Edit]: about https://noise.cash/post/ljp09q84 I'm not justifying. Question was just "fair or unfair"? I'm pacifist, against war. But against.. hate too! :0) I also wrote here: "This conflict could have been avoided through dialogue and diplomacy (since years). But we preferred to throw oil on the fire. We are all ultimately responsible for this conflict".
>No, these events doesn't excuse Putin. But these same (war) criminals are now accusing another one. Double standards. No, the people who are now accusing Putin are not criminals. Biden did not send the soldiers to Iraq. Stoltenberg did not send the bombers to Kosovo. It was other people. Many say USA attacked Iraq in 2003, Germany invaded Poland in 1939, Russia launched an invasion against Ukraine. That's not right, it's not countries that invade other countries, it's the leaders of those countries that send the armies to other countries. Putin, Bush and Hitler are criminals because they made the decision. Biden did not make a decision to attack another country, he is not a criminal. >I was saying, however, that the Russian people do not deserve this banishment from the world. I maintain it. Of course I feel sorry for the many Russians who are against Putin. But the sanctions are mainly there to take away Putin's money for the bombs. They are not directed against the normal population. >But we preferred to throw oil on the fire. We are all ultimately responsible for this conflict I have not throw oil on the fire and do not feel responsible.
> Many say USA attacked Iraq in 2003, Germany invaded Poland in 1939, Russia launched an invasion against Ukraine. That's not right, it's not countries that invade other countries, it's the leaders of those countries that send the armies to other countries. Ok, so Russians are not responsible! Putin is.. ;0)
Of course Putin is responsible. That's why I always write #StopPutin unfortunately a lot of Russians support Putin, hopefully they will stop supporting Putin when they realise how painful the sanctions are. That's why I wrote this: https://noise.cash/post/17668590 I feel very sorry for the Russians who do not support Putin. They are Putin's victims, just as the Ukrainians are Putin's victims.
By the way, I just read an interesting article about Putin's propaganda machine. The propaganda has been spread for years, especially in various social media via inconspicuous accounts. The author wrote the following sentence there: "France is steeped by pro-Russian views. The average Frenchman, even under the influence of what he watches on mainstream TV, believes that there is a civil war in Ukraine and that it was actually NATO that brought about the conflict. In France, the Russians have succeeded." I don't know if it's true.
Propaganda.. haha ;0)) It is not because you think that there was a "civil ethnic war" in Ukraine before Russian invasion, that you are Pro Russian, let's not mix everything, already. Your source is speculating. (Share the link) Because no, this is absolutely not the case here in France. I am not "pro anyone", you know, I am for peace on earth. :0) However, I don't let myself be manipulated by the mainstream medias. I will read the news from different countries to cross-check them, etc.. especially I don't take at face value what I'm told here or there (mainly TV). I search, I analyze, I think, and I try, I say I try, to draw an opinion.
By unfair.. I am not talking about economic or financial measures, I am talking about this growing hatred against the Russian people. Then, art, culture, sport., etc.. should not be affected. This is stupid.
According to my information, in the area of art and culture, only those artists are outlawed who do not clearly speak out against the war. The sanctions against athletes probably go too far.
If Russians would have no nuclear weapons, liberal twitter karens would have already started sending them through the chimneys. But they have. The war will not cripple russia just because the russians cant buy mcdonalds hamburgers, or netflix subscription (they probably had like 1000 user there...). The sanctions hit the country, but not as hard as westerns think. Its like shooting chesnut on a bear with a slingshot. The bear will not die, it will just became more aggressive. The west shot all of its sanctions already, no more bullets left. Actions have consequences.
I agree with you. These sanctions are useless.
las soluciones no son mágicas y putin ha demostrado que es capaz de hacer todo tipo de crímenes y genocidio por su ambición, si se necesita que el pueblo ruso entienda las consecuencias de tener un dictador como putin o de contrario que queda quedarse sin hacer nada mientras un solo hombre lleva la guerra a Europa y una posible tercera guerra mundial, en este punto no importa el pueblo ruso que ignora muchas de las cosas que están pasando, lo que importa es la vida de casi 8000 mil millones de personas en el mundo que están al borde de una guerra apocalíptica, la vida es injusta y la paz no es fácil y menos con una persona que vive de la guerra al punto de tener el mayor arsenal nuclear del planeta, es injusto tu dices, me gustaría ver mas rusos oponiéndose a putin y menos rusos llorando porque le van a eliminar su cuenta de instagram mientras bombardean hospitales en ucrania.
This conflict could have been avoided through dialogue and diplomacy. But we preferred to throw oil on the fire. We are all ultimately responsible for this conflict.