How can we tell if Pro-BCH miners are willing to donate block rewards to BCH developers?

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4 years ago

I believe there are many truly pro-BCH miners willing to temporarily donate less than 1% of their block rewards to support faster development progress on BCH. I believe it is in all Bitcoin miners' long-term best interests to support getting this work done soon. If BCH can scale and goes viral as intended, the rise of BCH will drag BTC along with it as long as BTC still has it's social engineering army. Any delay in this future causes compound losses for miners.

I agree the original proposal would benefit from a lot of improvements including letting miners (instead of pool operators) make the decision(s) and not sending the donations to a single censorable depository. I suggest creating or designating pools for miners to join as a way of showing support for the funding mechanism. This is just an idea. If people can find a better way to know "if Pro-BCH miners are willing to donate block rewards to BCH developers", I am all for that idea.

I assume most miners are not serious BCH supporters who see the long-term value of providing significant support for BCH development very soon. I am OK with their opinions so long as they are not allowed to control BCH's ability to achieve the original dream of Bitcoin. I believe there are many miners who DO understand the importance of getting scaling on BCH quickly and would support such pools. If I am mistaken about BCH having serious miner support, This could also be a way to show that we should cower at the demands of the less friendly miners.

I expect many social engineering agents and miners who are not really pro-BCH will make the many often-repetitive arguments against developer funding while claiming to be Pro-BCH. I believe that truly pro-BCH miners cannot openly admit to that stance due to the massive powerful forces that oppose peer-to-peer electronic cash for the world's people. So, anti-funding social-media posts could be from fake friends of BCH or a real ones. I believe most who print articles opposed to letting miners fund BCH developers are not really pro-BCH. Of the real pro-BCH posters, I think many assume bad things that need not be part of an updated future funding plan.

Let's make sure the miners get to control whether their donations end on "X" date. Let's listen to the other concerns and try to find a win-win solution to them all. Anti-BCH forces will never like any plan that helps create peer-to-peer electronic cash for the world's people in our lifetime. They are legion. They will pretend to be us and pretend convincingly that we do not want miners to donate to our developers. Let's look for ways to find out what the real BCH community want's to do!

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4 years ago

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I believe that truly pro-BCH miners cannot openly admit to that stance due to the massive powerful forces that oppose peer-to-peer electronic cash for the world's people. So, anti-funding social-media posts could be from fake friends of BCH or a real ones.

Ahem... Read this first: https://read.cash/@Read.Cash/an-incomplete-history-of-the-bitcoin-cashs-origin-and-the-minimum-viable-fork-project-7c060c52

  • @btcfork - one of those / organization who started creating Bitcoin Cash: AGAINST the proposal, which requires the use of force
  • u/ftrader - one of those who started creating Bitcoin Cash: AGAINST the proposal, which requires the use of force

Do you seriously consider these guys to be the "powerful forces that oppose peer-to-peer electronic cash"?

  • Read.Cash - created a site which uses BCH as peer-to-peer electronic cash: AGAINST the proposal, which requires the use of force

Nobody objects to miners voluntarily donating. NOBODY.

They can do whatever they want with their money. We're not OK with taking money away from miners by orphaning those who do not obey.

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4 years ago

People who claim (and there are many) I am saying everyone against the proposal is part of the anti-BCH dark forces are using false personal attacks on me. I do not think I have ever said that. I am clearly looking for a way to find out if pro-BCH miners want to do this. Admittedly, I do not care if BTC miners end up with more competition on their chain. I am asking if we can determine whether there are miners who do want to VOLUNTARILY donate block rewards. I do not really care about the opinions of miners that do not want that to happen unless there are NOT a lot of PRO-BCH-funding miners. I am not asking for their well known opinions. I do realize many real BCH fans are opposed to the original plan. I would guess there will still be some even if we make the plan much better.

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4 years ago

The question is - why does a miner that wants to donate any amount to any developers need any proposal at all?

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4 years ago

Because there is a lot more incentive to donate if a group is agreeing to donate instead of individuals. It makes it more fair.

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4 years ago

I believe that truly pro-BCH miners cannot openly admit to that stance due to the massive powerful forces that oppose peer-to-peer electronic cash for the world's people.

Major inconsistency in the argument of supporters of the plan right here.

The plan is totally visible because it is direct from block rewards, on-chain. Everyone can see which miner donates and who doesn't.

This doesn't make sense if you say "miners cannot openly admit". They obviously can, otherwise they would not propose this plan. If the plan is implemented, support is implied through the blocks. In fact, even if a miner doesn't really support BCH for long terms goals, but mines only for short-term profit, they still have to make themselves look like they support it. Meaning we cannot tell who is donating voluntarily because they really support BCH, and who isn't.

Also, some miners/mining pools already DO demonstrate their support by VOLUNTARILY donating part of their block rewards TODAY to BCH development teams. I am talking about bitcoin.com and Toomim. This is the small leading by example.

More pools that provably & voluntarily donate a percentage to the dev teams would be a good thing. But I suspect the problem is miners themselves. They will just go to the pool that doesn't donate, and save on the fee.

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4 years ago

I think miners can join a pool anonymously if they choose to. Some mining pools are "out of the closet", but, I agree my point was not accurate for all miners. You may be right that every miner can be tracked down? Maybe this is a disincentive to support BCH (for some, but, clearly not all).

They will just go to the pool that doesn't donate, and save on the fee.

They can avoid 'voting support' for the fee, but, all the miners end up paying about the same in lost potential income ("fees").

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