← An Open Letter to Roger Ver Dear Roger, I have put off writing this for a variety of… by @Cain
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← An Open Letter to Roger Ver Dear Roger, I have put off writing this for a variety of… by @Cain
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> Amaury worked in Facebook, that should tell us that he's a good developer who knows this well. That also could mean Cambridge Analytica
we know that ABC funds are secret no one knows who it's managed. Could you please say openly and honestly if you got funded to support ABC view or write for them?
No all my views are my own and I've never been paid by anyone to promote anything. I'm flattered you think that's even a possibility.
I know you have been in BCHgang channel and you know that Amuary has grudge against BU. He stated he will not accept them what ever they do. did you notice that? I wonder why you always write to defend him despite the fact that there are thousands of developers that can replace him and had much better character
Where are these thousands of developers that will step up and develop the BCH protocol? They are free to develop their own implementation and compete. There’s reason no one mines with BU. There’s a reason amaury has a grudge against BU. They have done nothing to demonstrate to me what value they bring to BCH. Amaury and ABC have earned my respect. That’s the only reason i support them. I own BCH. I have skin in the game and so I’m doing what i believe is best for my holdings.
You can support ABC and still avoid pissing on BU. And you can support BCH while having trust in the multiple implementations we have. Also without putting full trust in one team or one person. Having skin in the game means you do what is best for you, and supporting Amaury as you are doing is not in the best interest of him. Supporting people's wrong decisions doesn't cause them to learn and improve. Your blind support is doing the coin and the man a disservice.
I don't think it's blind support. Before the BCH City conference, I was in opposition to him. And if I see him acting in a way that I don't agree with, I'll change my position. Same with BU. If they start behaving in a manner that I think is good for BCH, I will back them as well. Their handling of the 25 tx limit among other things has been disappointing.
You don't respond to any of the points brought to your attention and you are very black/white in your decision process. As I explained above. You can call it what you want, but your support is most definitely not well researched and balanced.
I am an outsider looking in so there's only so much research I can do. Why don't you write an article explaining why I'm wrong?
That is one side of the story. The side of the aggressor. Take all he says with a spoonful of salt. Amaury is pissing on a lot of people, as the article states."He’s taking-on everyone in the Bitcoin Cash (BCH) community, from fellow developers to well-established business leaders." Maybe, just maybe, if you try to work together with people instead of positioning them as your enemies, then you can get much more stuff done. Amaury has severely toned it down in the last months, and suddenly stuff works better. Anyone arguing that the common factor in all the disagreements and problems in BCH isn't the one that is actually the center of it, well, they should ask why they are deluding themselves.
> Again, I'm not saying they are definitely saints and not slacking off, but invisible work is important too. It must be really hard work that takes a really expensive developer in order to backport all the work that the 2MB chain does. I'm sure that they are working hard, but you have to ask if the winning strategy is running after your competitor (BTC) doing exactly what they are doing while pretending to be better.
Backporting is only one thing. I mean ask any good developer - sometimes to non-technical bosses it seems like you're doing nothing at all, yet for some reason you're still at the office until the wee hours.
Sure, there is lots of stuff that those devs could be doing. In the end those efforts should translate into a visible results, no? If you state "the client doesn't crash" or some silly other metric, well, that's putting the bar very low. Which results are you seeing? And please pick things that demonstratively are not being observed in the other 4 or 5 different clients. The "doesn't crash" or "doesn't have an infinite inflation bug" isn't really an accomplishment if all clients have that feature.
Your claim was: > They demonstratively haven't done squat with that money. All I'm telling is that you can't say that, because a lot of work can be invisible. I'm not saying they're the best team or that they're saints or something. They are what they are - leading implementation. What have they done - well, the forks went on without a hitch, which is good. Other than that - I don't know, because I don't follow their development. But claiming "they demonstratively haven't done squat with that money" I think is a bit too big of a claim.
> I support Bitcoin ABC The world is not black and white. Roger doesn't NOT support Bitcoin ABC. We all support ABC. You are asking Roger to defend himself when he is critical of some decisions. There is a huge difference between not supporting a team and having to silently accept all their decisions. Bitcoin Cash should be open and should allow constructive feedback. If you disagree with that, please consider using the old banking system. Relevant video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDQeMFwnOCE
I donated a lot to Bitcoin ABC team as I was big fan of Amaury, but was very dissapointed with his lack of gratefulness and excuses for it so I can certainly relate with Roger Ver being very hesitant to donate more to Bitcoin ABC as it's very demotivating and unrewarding to do so. I explain more here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsTwjihHB-E We all like to be praised for our efforts, Amaury gets praised plenty for what he contributes, but does he praise back people who donate to him? Nope. Just ignores, neglects and makes up excuses for it. Same for David Allan by the way, donated lots to his development fund too, send messages via all possible channels, also on youtube dev meetings, as I was surprised there was not even a mention of the big donations received, let alone a thank you, never got a response.
Amaury clearly has excellent programming chops and Bitcoin Cash would not exist if it weren't for him, but the way he communicates online - like in the BCH GANG Telegram group - is pretty toxic. I get how the Linus Torvalds take-no-prisoners style of discourse might be needed to shoot down people who spout BS, but even Linus has eventually outgrown that and I bet Amaury would be far more effective if he can inject more civility in the way he discusses stuff. I mean, there really shouldn't be any difference in our tone of discourse whether we are online or not.
> As a developer I can tell you that the fact that you don't have any gimmicky features to show off during some time doesn't mean you haven't done anything. Maintenance, refactoring, backporting security fixes, doing architecture, writing technical documentation, doing manual QA, writing tests for automatic QA, installing workstations, setting up development environments, having to do meetings, having to go to the conferences, having to explain your actions to the stakeholders (to the public in this case) - these are some of the important things to do and it would look like "nothing has changed", while in reality: 1) you have avoided collapse of development in future due to unbearable technical debt; 2) you have avoided catastrophic security failure in the future; 3) you just allowed yourself to continue working. These can't be seen, but these are important. OMF'nG! i need to save this forever-and-ever .. and ever (actually, i think I'm just gonna start writing about it .. just created a new community "Dev Tales"). this kind of shit REALLY needs to be told. like we ALL studied computer science @ hogwarts and all it takes is a simple spell and a flick of our wand
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